Curse

co186 · Apr 04, 2006, 07:03 PM // 19:03

If anything 55 monks narrowed the gap between the rich and the poor. Ectos dropping from 18k-7k is a loss of 11k per ecto 2750000 loss per stack of ectos the "rich" are holding. Any time ecto drops 1k its a huge loss to anyone hoarding ectos, where people with very little ectos are still making the profit. You cant say nerf 55monk to fix the economy, warriors can solo farm many areas, war mes can both farm fow solo. MM can solo or dual run thirsty river for 25-30k profit per run. A two man team is still a team and takes alot of teamwork. If you want farming removed, the arguement should be against all solo farm and dual farm groups, not the monks specifically.

I don't know how anyone is waiting 2 hours to get into a group for fow. I have a monk, necro, warrior and ele, all of which can find a random PUG within 5 mins given that we have favour.

At least with the rise of 55 monks, at lower levels there is a lot more monks available for missions, who are planning to be 55's later. IMO its nice to see a class normally relativly poor and expected to be a support class being able to solo farm and make some money.

Cygnus_Zero · Apr 04, 2006, 07:21 PM // 19:21

Sounds to me like Ganni is not cut out to play online games and is not willing to accept that people are going to do whatever they want to do. You remove the -50hp item, and these will just all be 105 monks and necros. You say the game is about teamwork. Good luck getting people to farm with 8 people when they can get it done with 2 and keep more of the spoils for themselves. You don't seem to be able to handle the fact that unless you learn to play certain ways in this game, people will not want to play with you. That's just the way it goes dude.

Alleji · Apr 04, 2006, 07:27 PM // 19:27

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Originally Posted by Pi_Numurian

Being a 55 kills ur PVP capabilites. Since I am a Mes I got four words for you 55 Backfire and Shatter Enchantment

Because somebody in their right mind would go into PvP with 55 gear/skills on.

Cygnus_Zero · Apr 04, 2006, 07:52 PM // 19:52

Yeah you should not be 55ing in PvP.

Age · Apr 04, 2006, 09:41 PM // 21:41

I guess if Monks can't farm with the -50 cesta they can alway do this as 1 of my only active guildies got paid 10K for Monking the Rof mission.It took a little searching but I found it in the archives with the search buttun being disabled.

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...d.php?t=124417

sh4ft3d · Apr 04, 2006, 09:56 PM // 21:56

I personally don't have any version of a 55 (yet) but I am sincerely happy that they are in the game. What else provides a steady inflow of cash and items into the GW economy? Doubt its the people who party with 7 guildies at a time.

Matsumi · Apr 04, 2006, 10:06 PM // 22:06

I started a 55 about 3 days ago, and I like it alot. Spent the remaining gold I had to set it up, but needless to say I made it all back plus more. Beats sitting around trying to sell a Razorstone for hours, and I don't have to listen to people complaining when I'm by myself.

Squirrelly · Apr 04, 2006, 11:37 PM // 23:37

Why is it that no one ever whines about warriors farming? Or that there is a 55 build FOR EVERY CLASS EXCEPT WARRIOR???? Why is it always the monks being picked on? Because they are more efficient? The thing is that if you remove the most efficient way to do something someone will just come up with a new most efficient way.

Seaman_yemen · Apr 06, 2006, 09:12 AM // 09:12

who cares get on with gw

isamu kurosawa · Apr 06, 2006, 11:13 AM // 11:13

you remove the -50hp item and they will end up switching to their back up -20hp items, not as afficient at 85hp, but it still works.

Zeph · Apr 06, 2006, 12:57 PM // 12:57

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Originally Posted by Hunter Sharparrow

And henchies suck, they are dumb seriously dumb so soloing the entire game with them is impossible. If you say you've done it then I can honestly say your either a hacker or BS. Plain and simple.

Hahahahha, me spots someone whos not very good at Pve. :P

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Originally Posted by GrendelScout1

I just wanted to chime in with a couple of screenshots of me and the hench doing the so-called impossible.

Yeah, I have also done the "impossible".
I've done all southen shiverpeaks missions with henchies except THK, I plan to try that to see if I can do it

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Originally Posted by Age

I wouldn't mind seeing you do Abbandons Mouth wirh henchies or Hells.

I've also done all the fire island missions with hench. Here are a few screenies of me and the 'guys' doing Abbadon's Mouth.

I actually found the fire Island missons really easy with henchies, I did them first time all one after each other.

So next time someone says "you can't do it with hench" I'm gonna send little thom round to give them a good kicking. :P

And as for the OP and removing -50hp offhand, don't talk daft.

Avarre · Apr 06, 2006, 01:01 PM // 13:01

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Originally Posted by Squirrelly

Why is it that no one ever whines about warriors farming? Or that there is a 55 build FOR EVERY CLASS EXCEPT WARRIOR????

Because warriors can get 160+ armor and attack skills to farm anything under the sun already. And I DO whine about it

FoW areas
UW Smite solo
RoF
Perdition Rock
Avicara
Titans
Trolls / griffons

not alot a warrior can't do that a 55 can...

]SK[ · Apr 06, 2006, 01:07 PM // 13:07

+ Augury Hydras

The Fox · Apr 06, 2006, 01:36 PM // 13:36

Farming decreases prices due to an increase in supply of goods. Cheers for farmers! The problem people have is that a certain character class has a comparitive advantage soloing the ONLY area that drops ectos (I think).

Perhaps the solution is not to nerf the builds that have these comparative advantages, but to alter the locations of drops in a way which changes where people can "farm/aquire wealth". Drops should be equally satisfying anywhere in the game in order to enchance replay value. The cow level design of UW being the only farm zone for ecto goes against the idea of having a low level cap, because it decrease the replayability of other locations due to the heavily imbalanced drop rates.

Actually I just realized that by having "green" items only drop in sorrow's furnace, this same problem exists with drops for greens. I reference to diablo because it's widely known for just killing bosses over and over... IMO this pointless repetation is not as fun as the "intent" of the games first design of bosses dropped nearly the same as any random enemy.

I don't think Drago's Vampiric Flat Bow should be dropped from anything other than Drago, but I do think gold drops should be increased in occurance and quality so that "green farming" is not as necessary; thus making other content more replayable. The alure of collecting from green bosses should be more based on rarity of weapon skins than quality of items.

But at last there is hope! In the preview event for factions I noticed great quality gold drops occuring frequently from all types of enemies... maybe they'll return to the drop rates of the "glory beta days" (both prophecies and factions) when factions comes out

MelechRic · Apr 06, 2006, 01:39 PM // 13:39

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Originally Posted by Matsumi

I started a 55 about 3 days ago, and I like it alot. Spent the remaining gold I had to set it up, but needless to say I made it all back plus more. Beats sitting around trying to sell a Razorstone for hours, and I don't have to listen to people complaining when I'm by myself.

You captured my thoughts exactly! I've been running solo on my iNecro for about 2 weeks and it's hard for me to go back and farm SF with a 5 man team. I still do it, but when I get tired of the scene I go right back and do my iNecro.

Squirrelly · Apr 07, 2006, 07:23 AM // 07:23

I'm not sure that it even matters that it's mostly only 55's can efficiently farm for ecto. I've seen 2 ectos drop in my last 6 runs :/ Plus I can honestly say that troll and giant farming isn't all that profitable not to mention it gets boring as hell. I usually get bored and go farm whatever else I can find (plus it's kinda fun to see what you can kill and what you can't).

Jabilo · Apr 07, 2006, 07:59 PM // 19:59

I don't see the problem in 55 monking. If you've done everything several times over in game and have nothing left to do but repeat areas, why not earn good money from it in a highly profitable place like Underworld? If anet wanted to stop the 55 monk intirely they could have just altered Protective Spirit so it's like Protective Bond: make it so there is a chance of it ending when it reduces damage from an attack, you would never know if it's going to stay up or not. Anet haven't done this, so I assume they don't mind the low life farmers. Literally without this spell 55 monking isn't possible.

If you really are that annoyed with seeing the endless 55 monk/ss necro spamming in ToA, theres a simple solution to this: Go with your friends or your guild and turn local chat off. If you don't want to be group leader or go with friends/guildies: The little numbers above peoples head shows whos making a group, apply to them, if they need you they will take you lol.

If people want to solo/duo then that's their choice. If you stop the 55 monk farming, to be fair you would have to stop all farming as it's extremely harsh to just target one style of farmer. Pretty much every class can farm, just not as easily in the same locations as each other.

At least people are openly saying that theyre going to solo/duo in ToA. Be greatful they are going in as a 2 and paying more each to enter rather than joining your party, letting you pay for them and letting you die so they can solo for free.

Karmaniac · Apr 07, 2006, 09:57 PM // 21:57

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Originally Posted by Cygnus_Zero

Sounds to me like Ganni is not cut out to play online games and is not willing to accept that people are going to do whatever they want to do. You remove the -50hp item, and these will just all be 105 monks and necros. You say the game is about teamwork. Good luck getting people to farm with 8 people when they can get it done with 2 and keep more of the spoils for themselves. You don't seem to be able to handle the fact that unless you learn to play certain ways in this game, people will not want to play with you. That's just the way it goes dude.

Quoted for truth.

Couldn't the mods fix it up so that every thread with -50hp in it's title gets merged into a gigantic "i"-monk whine/flame thread(locked preferably)? IMO beating the dead -50hp horse is just a cheap way to farm one's post count.